So, assuming an individual smoked one or two bowls of tobacco a day and didn't inhale...how long would nicotine traces remain in said person's system for purposes of detection in a blood test? Purely theoretical question of course. 8)
Gotta watch out for that second hand smoke.serif365":cnxowf35 said:Cotinine is the metabolite that is actually measured for nicotine levels in the body. According to Wikipedia, "Cotinine has an in vivo half-life of approximately 20 hours, and is typically detectable for several days (up to one week) after the use of tobacco. The level of cotinine in the blood is proportionate to the amount of exposure to tobacco smoke, so it is a valuable indicator of tobacco smoke exposure, including secondary (passive) smoke".
puros_bran":yywnbqve said:They are developing test based upon other alkaloids found in tobacco.. Mainly for the reason that their half life is longer..
As stated before beating the initial test is easy... What do you do about the emergency room test that positions you as a fraudulent applicant resulting in revocation of insurance?
Also MrE.. the people asked for, no demanded it. Universal Health Insurance IS NOT Universal Healthcare.
Good point. In other words, you're covered but only on their terms.puros_bran":b0q7tfak said:They are developing test based upon other alkaloids found in tobacco.. Mainly for the reason that their half life is longer..
As stated before beating the initial test is easy... What do you do about the emergency room test that positions you as a fraudulent applicant resulting in revocation of insurance?
Also MrE.. the people asked for, no demanded it. Universal Health Insurance IS NOT Universal Healthcare.
The flip side of this is that, if reliable, the test for Cotinine levels in the blood could answer the questions re: pipes vs. cigars vs. cigarettes. In each case, the cotinine enters the blood stream through the lungs. Just answer with numbers, save the explanations, please.serif365":fddu3h91 said:Cotinine is the metabolite that is actually measured for nicotine levels in the body. According to Wikipedia, "Cotinine has an in vivo half-life of approximately 20 hours, and is typically detectable for several days (up to one week) after the use of tobacco. The level of cotinine in the blood is proportionate to the amount of exposure to tobacco smoke, so it is a valuable indicator of tobacco smoke exposure, including secondary (passive) smoke".
Depends. I know quite a few old gals up North who have inherited considerable sums of cash -- six figures to the left of the decimal point, own their own homes and buy a new car when the last one is paid for -- and yet they openly talk about how nice it is to have Medicaid and pay zero for medical treatment. When I ask, "How the hell do you qualify for Medicaid?" the reply is,"I don't know. Teeheehee. My lawyer arranged it."puros_bran":1k1rthon said:Under Obamacare they are allowed to charge a 50% premium for tobacco use. You are fraudulently obtaining rates by claiming non use.
Back when I was (for a few years) an agent for Mutual of Omaha this question constantly came up when my client's policies would come back rated for smoker's rates when the applicant was not a smoker, or at least not a cigarette smoker. Back in those days (early 1990s) our applications asked about smoking specifically, not general tobacco use.KevinM":z1sr1tce said:The flip side of this is that, if reliable, the test for Cotinine levels in the blood could answer the questions re: pipes vs. cigars vs. cigarettes. In each case, the cotinine enters the blood stream through the lungs. Just answer with numbers, save the explanations, please.serif365":z1sr1tce said:Cotinine is the metabolite that is actually measured for nicotine levels in the body. According to Wikipedia, "Cotinine has an in vivo half-life of approximately 20 hours, and is typically detectable for several days (up to one week) after the use of tobacco. The level of cotinine in the blood is proportionate to the amount of exposure to tobacco smoke, so it is a valuable indicator of tobacco smoke exposure, including secondary (passive) smoke".
As someone who has smoked pipes exclusively for more than 40 years, I'd be kinda curious to take that test, particularly since my M.D. can't find any tobacco-use symptoms in me and relies on my self report as the basis for her pro-forma annual rec that I stop. "You have the BP and heart rate of a high school kid. Oh, do you still smoke a pipe?" was the way she put it last time.
Nope. My response in that situation would be to pull out the concealed weapon that is ALWAYS a part of me and tell the questioner to back off. I might be honest, but I ain't no pushover.KevinM":4e5bravt said:I will tell the truth even if the consequences are dire,
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This is an admirable policy, especially in matters in which the parties involved have common interest and equal power or have agreed on mutually binding rules. But there are limits to it, I'd say, and your practice reveals why. If you were walking down the street minding your own business and someone came up to you and asked, "How much money are you carrying?", the correct response would be some variation of, "None, get lost." and keep movng. Your obligation to tell the whole truth diminishes as your vilnerability to harm from a more powerful party increases. Besides, what you described is an exercise in file papering that is rigged aginst you.
You'll recall the Clinton response in la affaire Lewinsky.
Q: Did you have sex with Miss Lewinsky?
Clinton: (Wagging a finger) I did not have sex with that woman.
You'll recall he was not charged with perjury, because, narrowly interpreted, his response was accurate.
Ya mean that a five-pack-a-day inhaling cig smoker and a grampa who smokes a cigar every time a new grandbaby is born both have to 'fess up as tobacco users? I think your response was accurate, appropriate and you should sleep like a baby.
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