Question about 'complexity'

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Isagar

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I'm not too sure about the definition of a tobacco complexity.
Is it:

1. you can taste many flavors and different kinds of tobaccos in one puff
or
2. The tobacco's taste changes as you smoke it thru midway, at the end etc
or
3. The tobacco taste change with each puff
or
4. All of the above
or
5. ????
 
1, Sometimes, but not always

2, Yes

3, Usually, but not always
 
tiltjlp":azs1y6x2 said:
1, Sometimes, but not always

2, Yes

3, Usually, but not always
So is it fair to say that a complex blend of tobacco always has no. 2 but some of them also has 1 and 3?
 
No two blends, especially complex ones, are the same. Most changes in flavor are fairly subtle, rather than the slap-in-the-facr kind.
 
Just this morning I was marveling at the way each puff of Nightcap tasted really good, but some tasted great, and occasionally amazing. The intensity of the flavors just seemed to...intensify.
 
Depends on the user, and his/her experience--palate development, genetics and simple preference.

Depends on the pipe, and how it is handled under fire.

Depends on the tobacco, what generation of said tobacco, and furthermore, storage of said tobacco.

Depends on smoking-over-time, from decades to even season-to-season. And hyphens.

8)
 
Yak":4ahjqn3p said:
And hyphens.
Especially on hyphens :D
Hyphens are a poor substitute for complexity, I know... :fpalm: ...kind of like me. :tongue: :cheers: Makes for good dialogue pauses, though. Maybe. <img class="emojione" alt="?" title=":shrug:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/emojione/assets/png/1f937.png?v=2.2.7"/> :lol:

Back on topic, though, complexity can sometimes jump out of the bushes and scare the crap outta you while smoking. Sometimes, while mindlessly pairing a tobacco and a pipe, not caring what (kind of just grabbing whatever is rested and what tin is close at hand), the conditions are just right in all realms and I make a new discovery. Provided I can repeat the results. Heh.
 
Buy a couple ounces of Lane's 1Q. Don't smoke anything but for a few days. There's nothing really wrong with it, but you'll probably get tired of it after a while because it always tastes the same. That's the opposite of complexity. So now you can ID complexity when you taste it.
 
and the bowl develops more starkly than more simple tobaccos.

Complexity is not always a good thing. A sublime, complex tobacco is fantastic when your palate is resolving detail great, but if you're a little off (which can be any given day) these tobaccos aren't as good as something less complex. Some tobaccos are also too complex. GLP Samarra is fantastic and mind blowingly complex, but I'm not that good at smoking it.
 
It's a great question without a simple answer. Some tobaccos, as with any other gustatory experience, present a single, more or less mono-dimensional flavour. They can be very enjoyable, but they don't tend to evolve throughout the bowl, nor do they offer a broadly fascinating taste experience.

Perhaps an analogy might illustrate. Simple monosaccharides, like fructose, the sugar that makes fruits sweet, are very simple tasting. They provide sweetness, and little more. Maple syrup, on the other hand, has a lot more going on in its overall flavour profile. The syrup would be considered more complex than the straight sugar.

Add the maple syrup to something else, perhaps using it in a glaze for a grilled pork tenderloin with coarse mustard, thyme, black pepper, salt. When combined with the umami from the meat, the caramelization from the grilling and so on, the result is significantly more complex than any of the ingredients alone. There are layers and layers of flavours and aromas to be revealed in the meat, only some of which can be easily traced back to the maple syrup.

Tobaccos are similar. Straight virginias have a relatively simple profile. Add Latakia, and the complexity is increased, but not dramatically so. Combine different virginias, latakia, orientals, press the leaf to enhance fermentation, then age the result for a while. Each individual component is still recognizable, but the whole is much more interesting than any of the parts alone. If done in such a way that the various elements combine harmoniously, you get complexity. The tobacco will show different sides of its personality with different pipes, different smoking techniques, even different environmental conditions, and the smoke will tend to evolve throughout the bowl.

There's a place for both. Sometimes, we crave something simple, easy, like a mass-market lager. Other times, we want something with depth, body, more engaging character, like a heavily dry-hopped IPA or a yeasty Belgian.

Does that help?
 
Cue outside questions about subtlety... that's where my fancy lies, anyway. To segue, complexity is a great partner with subtlety. Volume knob versus a full-frequency equalizer. :)
 
glpease":a39fkwpg said:
It's a great question without a simple answer. Some tobaccos, as with any other gustatory experience, present a single, more or less mono-dimensional flavour. They can be very enjoyable, but they don't tend to evolve throughout the bowl, nor do they offer a broadly fascinating taste experience.

Perhaps an analogy might illustrate. Simple monosaccharides, like fructose, the sugar that makes fruits sweet, are very simple tasting. They provide sweetness, and little more. Maple syrup, on the other hand, has a lot more going on in its overall flavour profile. The syrup would be considered more complex than the straight sugar.

Add the maple syrup to something else, perhaps using it in a glaze for a grilled pork tenderloin with coarse mustard, thyme, black pepper, salt. When combined with the umami from the meat, the caramelization from the grilling and so on, the result is significantly more complex than any of the ingredients alone. There are layers and layers of flavours and aromas to be revealed in the meat, only some of which can be easily traced back to the maple syrup.

Tobaccos are similar. Straight virginias have a relatively simple profile. Add Latakia, and the complexity is increased, but not dramatically so. Combine different virginias, latakia, orientals, press the leaf to enhance fermentation, then age the result for a while. Each individual component is still recognizable, but the whole is much more interesting than any of the parts alone. If done in such a way that the various elements combine harmoniously, you get complexity. The tobacco will show different sides of its personality with different pipes, different smoking techniques, even different environmental conditions, and the smoke will tend to evolve throughout the bowl.

There's a place for both. Sometimes, we crave something simple, easy, like a mass-market lager. Other times, we want something with depth, body, more engaging character, like a heavily dry-hopped IPA or a yeasty Belgian.

Does that help?
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I found that when I smoke a complex blend, I really need to be alone and in a silent room to really taste and appreciate the complexity. I guess it's kind of like listening to music, if you listen alone with headphones, you will hear a lot more little details that you will never pick up if you listen in a car or train.

But another question Mr. Pease, based on your analogy above, would it be fair to say that in a tobacco blend, as long as there are lots of different kinds of leaves, the tobaaco will always be taste complex even tho it might not taste good?
 
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