Stupid Lids

[benmarcum]

so i am trying to get some lids on ball jars to not "pop" anymore so i can start building my baccy cellar but no luck. Do i need to get them to where they won't pop? if so any body got any tricks? Makers Mark is just down the road a bit...i guess i could take them and dip them in red wax...

 

[PegLegEd]

so i am trying to get some lids on ball jars to not "pop" anymore so i can start building my baccy cellar but no luck. Do i need to get them to where they won't pop? if so any body got any tricks? Makers Mark is just down the road a bit...i guess i could take them and dip them in red wax...

All of mine pop. Don't laugh I dip the whole top of mine in paraffin wax!
Ed

I like to play with melted wax. And I like to smoke, I want to continue even after death and probably will.
Buying everything I can get my hands on and cellering it. I'm thinking prices will continue to escalate where as my income will not.
Pretty soon some of us citizens won't be ab;e to buy tobacco, guns, knives, sailboats, automobiles, the list will go on and on.
My one little Vote is always given but there are powers I can't fight alone.
Moderator Put this in the Rubber room If you think need be.
Ed

 

[Wide Awake]

the other day It was late and i was working on homework when one popped....
lets just say i almost had to change pajamas....

 

[Al in Canada]

so i am trying to get some lids on ball jars to not "pop" anymore so i can start building my baccy cellar but no luck. Do i need to get them to where they won't pop? if so any body got any tricks? Makers Mark is just down the road a bit...i guess i could take them and dip them in red wax...

Are you re-using your lids? It sounds like you are losing your seal which generally means an air leak. The "new" light weight lids have a very thin rubber grommet (?) which dents easily, or even something as simple as a particle of tobacco can cause a minute air leak. If you replace the centre potion of the lid with re-use it should keep the seal.

You are heating with a loose lid, right? Then tightening the lid after you take it out of the hot water bath, thereby creating your negative pressure?

I use the bail top jars for this very reason, the thicker rubber seals take a lot of time to wear out, but I seldom get to store anything for long enough to truly matter one way or another.

Good luck,
Al (Cat fan in Canada)

 

[benmarcum]

there is my problem i was tighting before heating...sometimes i am dumb

 

[gandalfpc]

I'm with peg on using paraffin - a good dip will keep you sleeping soundly for years

 

[Al in Canada]

there is my problem i was tighting before heating...sometimes i am dumb

Don't tell me, you went to U of L,... not UK. Rrrriiight? :twisted:

Al (Cat fan in Canada)

Seriously, glad it was a simple fix. That was my job 60 years ago when my mom was canning, tightening the lids after the hot bath.

 

[Bub]

Are you sealing the tobacco in the jar in a vacuum?
I am under the impression that tobacco should not be stored under reduced pressure if you want the best aging.

 

[Al in Canada]

Are you sealing the tobacco in the jar in a vacuum?
I am under the impression that tobacco should not be stored under reduced pressure if you want the best aging.

At best this would be a negative pressure, not a vacuum, there would still be air for any aging/fermentation process. And depending upon what you are desiring aging or maintaining/stabilization you would vary your degree of evacuation of air.

For maintaining "freshness", namely moisture content, you want a good seal, and a minor negative pressure would be a positive step in that direction. IMHO YMMV


Al (in Canada)

 

[Slow Puffs]

I just plunk the tobaccy in a jar and hand tighten...

But after time, I notice when I open a jar that the lids are nice and sealed and all is needed is a little gentle little pry and the lid pops off.... That's good enough for me...

 

[Al in Canada]

I just plunk the tobaccy in a jar and hand tighten...

But after time, I notice when I open a jar that the lids are nice and sealed and all is needed is a little gentle little pry and the lid pops off.... That's good enough for me...

Partially a question of what you are trying to do. It is not usually a problem for me as I am not looking at a long term storage problem. I never accumulate enough tobacco to "cellar" it. For me to have a tin for over 6 months is unusual. A little longer for some bulks, but if you were trying to store over many years the seal could be important.

Also a question of where you are. Really wet areas it may be a question of protecting against things like moulds, really dry areas like Arizona, maintaining moisture content could be the problem.

If you store in a cool place and jarred in a warm place you would develop a neg pressure, if not a dependable one . :bounce:

Living in Louisville Kentucky Ben would more probably have had a high humidity environment, not on the level of coastal Louisiana, but summer in the Fall City is generally sweltering, not the typical moderate 90 degrees and 90% humdity of Lexington. :bball: (yeah sitting in Calgary you wouldn't have to deal with this problem. Mind you Alberta is one of the few places that make Ontario tobacco prices look moderate. :twisted: )

Al (Cat fan in Canada)

 

[mark]

I just plunk the tobaccy in a jar and hand tighten...
...

Yeah, that works for me too,,,from front door to cellar in minutes,,,,no problems as long as the lid and jar rim are particle free when sealing,,,

 

[pipetongue1]

I use all sorts of jars, jelly,relish,pickle jars can be somewhat problematic, wash them out with hot soapy water, dry ,stuff the tabac in,been working for me for ten years!Ken :tongue:
Pacem en Puffing! :tongue:



btw if you want to "dry" out some tabac SG :roll: put it in a Marshmallow Fluff container :tongue:

 

[Slow Puffs]

I use all sorts of jars, jelly,relish,pickle jars can be somewhat problematic, wash them out with hot soapy water, dry ,stuff the tabac in,been working for me for ten years!Ken :tongue:
Pacem en Puffing! :tongue:



btw if you want to "dry" out some tabac SG :roll: put it in a Marshmallow Fluff container :tongue:

Ken, stay away from Marshmellow Fluff :lol:

What I've done when I've opened a tin of dried tobacco is open another tin that isn't dried out and jarred the two together... it worked for me.

 

[nate560]

I have used ball or mason jars for years. I have cases and have never had a problem. Stuff them with baccy tighten the lid, the other day I opened a 12yr old jar and had to pry the lid off. When I reuse jars I just run them thru the dishwasher and put a new inner lid on. I get them at walmart a package of 12 is about 1.25 cheap enough to be safe. No wax no heat and never a problem.

 

[DoverPipes]

I just plunk the tobaccy in a jar and hand tighten...

But after time, I notice when I open a jar that the lids are nice and sealed and all is needed is a little gentle little pry and the lid pops off.... That's good enough for me...

Same method here.....

 

[gandalfpc]

Wax can be a bit of overkill on jars, and I happen to be a big fan of overkill, but it also comes in handy for those pesky square SG tins... and other square tins I don't trust, oh who am I kidding - any tin with a pry lid gets wax here

 

[Hunter5117]

I have used ball or mason jars for years. I have cases and have never had a problem. Stuff them with baccy tighten the lid, the other day I opened a 12yr old jar and had to pry the lid off. When I reuse jars I just run them thru the dishwasher and put a new inner lid on. I get them at walmart a package of 12 is about 1.25 cheap enough to be safe. No wax no heat and never a problem.

Yep, same for me. The oxidation and fermenting processes going on in the jar should consume enough oxygen that you get a partial vacuum that seals the lid. It only takes a few hours and you can touch the center of the lid and it will pop inwards.

 

[benmarcum]

This is great! Thanks y'all!

 

[Anonymous]

Sounds like you have "blown a Seal" brother. I choose to use canning jars with a screw lid. they work well for me! the bottles Grandma stores jam in!