Tobacco Prohibition Coming?

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Robert,

What can you say?.................Many, even on this board voted for the administration and current legislators that are shoving these unconstitutional laws down our throats. It's what the people want. They knew it was coming and they voted for it anyway. Maybe they don't feel like they can make it through life without a government entity to make every little life choice for them. Or perhaps they lost the ability to think for themselves, I don't know.........the jury is still out on this madness.
 
Justpipes":49drj1yp said:
Robert,

What can you say?.................Many, even on this board voted for the administration and current legislators that are shoving these unconstitutional laws down our throats. It's what the people want. They knew it was coming and they voted for it anyway. Maybe they don't feel like they can make it through life without a government entity to make every little life choice for them. Or perhaps they lost the ability to think for themselves, I don't know.........the jury is still out on this madness.
yeah your right mark i know im going to stock up just in case this does happen its said this country is going to hell really fast
 
This has been coming for a long time. If you have to have a date, 1973 is as good as any. When Florida passed the first restrictive smoking law. The latest administration in Washington, is just the latest administration. Look at the history and you will find both leftys and rightys behind this. The blind hatred some have for the current administration, is no different than the blind hatred some have for cigarettes. As least the blind hatred for cigarettes is understandable.

The interesting thing will be, where will congress, yes, congress, find the money to replace that raised by tobacco sales should prohibition come. If congress should ban tobacco in all forms, will they assume responsibility for the payments to the states from the tobacco companies?
 
No, there will be no tobacco prohibition, not in the sense of illicit drugs. However, the pressure to quit routine smoking is going to be progressively intense to crushing. We have already undergone massive price increases far disproportionate to inflation or tax increases. Similar to the licensing and maturation requirement history of scotch directed at limiting supply, resourceful gentlepersons will still be able to get quality, but it will be intended to be expensive enough to drive the common away. Already, quality foreign bulk is sputtering to terminal drought. What is available in Europe, with all their socialized regulation, significantly differs from that obtainable in America; the higher the nicotine content, the more difficult to get. Bulk 'stout,' like Class III firearms, will need a commercial license to get, and everything on the consumer level will be domestic tinned from licensed producers. Forget snuff.

FDA is the Tip of the Healthcare Iceberg:

FDA pressure compounded, the big hammer is health care: We are certainly breathing our 'room note;' pipe smokers have five times the incidence of lung cancer and four times the incidence of throat cancer. Insurance companies make no distinction; with a positive hair follicle cotinine test (testable metabolite of nicotine), your health premiums will be even higher than the current more than double, if you can get health insurance at all. For similar reasons, staying employed where the employer pays for health insurance is going to be increasingly a challenge. Those who live with a smoker are subject to the same, minors considered abused. Add that, if you have health insurance, more than the established bias against the poor, infirm, and elderly, your doctor may be unlikely to spend his or her testing and treatment 'capital' on someone perceived as a drug addict trying to commit slow suicide.

Exponential Personal Cost Increases/ Business Decisions/ Personal Responsibility:

In this reddest of red states, with among the highest national rates of tobacco use, you cannot smoke within 150 feet of the building door where candy and salt is all there is to eat on the premises. As obesity is an impediment to employment and advancement, discrimination against tobacco users has been elevated to a just cause, as noted, on the right as well as the left. As discussed in a GLP chronicle, in the tobacco consuming community, there is judgmentalism, one to another. Pipe smoking 'tasters' (some, not all, of course) condescend to 'mainliners,' premium cigar smokers to drug-store, to cigarettes to 'chawers' with their spitting, as unseemly addicts. Even the tobacco industry agrees that Americans need to quit smoking, the American-tobacco-consumption business model abandoned. Besides, why hassle with contingent liabilities? Possibly, Dunhill and other plugs were pulled as business decisions, others yet to be. Our society is dying from obesity, and related to that, meat, sugar, and salt laden foods, but the shadow of unsavory 'substance (drug) addiction' stalks all tobacco use; alcohol (in moderation) grandfathered. Bottom line: Any costs engendered by our (apparently unanimously agreed as indefensible) choice to use tobacco in any form will have to be each person's personal responsibility; the nexus of political agreement of the left and the right.

Drug Addict versus the Finer Things in Life:

An assertion put forth was that since I want nicotine, I'm an addict. May be. Regardless, I'd rather do nothing than a crappy cheap cigar for the nicotine, or a 'smoking mixture' without nicotine, regardless of delivery of that small beer in a gilded hand-crafted 'soulful work of art' stein. I look forward, that looking forward itself life affirming, to my 1792 as a perhaps small but solid satisfying experience of a finer thing in life. Take away the 'fine,' and all that's left is a lot of down with little up.
 
This has the potential for turning controversial; however, I agree with the brother that pointed out the legislators making the laws.

Someone has to be electing them. So the majority of Americans must be non-smokers right? I don't think it will ever be banned because it's just a huge money maker via taxes. In fact, it is going to lead to more taxes. Expect alcohol taxes, sugar taxes (y'all know about the proposal to tax sodas--the non-diet ones?), etc.

People keep voting the way they do lately and maybe tobacco will be ... naw, I won't even say it.

I'm sure this is not the first time I say this, so I will put it in quotations, "the only solace I get is that many [of my local friends] that voted for our current president can no longer afford to smoke."

With the slight increase in prices, I am not as generous as I used to be either with non-forum members.
 
It does not matter who is in power. So long as Ron Paul is not president, tobacco taxes will continue to go up.

We have a Conservative government in Alberta - tobacco taxes are highest in the country...and there are Liberal and Socialist provincial governments currently in power. Also, we have the highest revenue of any province...yet still tobacco taxes are high.

I didn't vote for the Progressive Conservative party, and chances are I never will. Taxes are going to continue to go up on everything. Smokers are easy to pick on for those on the right and the left, and it is unlikely that any government in the world will every change their stance.

...except maybe China, the tobacco producing regions of China set cigarette quotas for all government employees. They had to smoke a certain number of cartons per year.

But, in Canada the legal case for smokers' rights is developing slowly, as anti-smoking organizations transition towards anti-smoker. I don't know how things work in the U.S. as well, but there is always the potential that these things are in flux. Indeed, repealing the smoking bans is one of the elements of the British Tory party platform. So who knows? Smoking has gone through many different stages of popularity, and I highly, highly doubt it will go anywhere.

And even if it is prohibited, I have no problem meeting in a 7-11 parking lot to buy a bag...:D

FDA is the Tip of the Healthcare Iceberg:
:D Public health care would assuage those fears!
 
Although I don't see an all out prohibition, the next few years are going to be diffacult on personal freedoms. I think in the next coming years smoking a cigar or pipe is going to be a sign of dissidence. A dunhill might be the purple mohawk of the future. A bunch rowdy youths roming around in smoking jackets stinking of latakia! Enough to make one monicle pop out of place.
 
It past and Obama can't wait to sign it

No smoking: Historic vote could bring new limits
WASHINGTON – The Senate struck a historic blow against smoking in America Thursday, voting overwhelmingly to give regulators new power to limit nicotine in the cigarettes that kill nearly a half-million people a year, to drastically curtail ads that glorify tobacco and to ban flavored products aimed at spreading the habit to young people.

President Barack Obama, who has spoken of his own struggle to quit smoking, said he was eager to sign the legislation, and the House planned a vote for Friday. Cigarette foes said the measure would not only cut deaths but reduce the $100 billion in annual health care costs linked to tobacco.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090612/ap_on_go_co/us_fda_tobacco;_ylt=AptECMoMvLuQawWLO9yi5FkDW7oF
 
Herzl":ule7tpuc said:
FDA pressure compounded, the big hammer is health care:...
Exactly!
I don't think there will ever be a "ban."
However, Internet sales of tobacco will become a fond memory.
When we get nationalized health care, they will be able
to control every aspect of our lives. The government will
be able to restrict any "unhealthy" behavior.

I recall a candidate saying, sure you can have your
coal fired plants, we'll just tax em till they cry uncle.

"Sure you can smoke, you'll just have to pay more (way more)."
 
"ban" doesn't sell.

However, it will be controlled such that it is banned in practice, just worded differently. It's called deception.

For instance, machine guns aren't banned. But they are so regulated it is incredibly expensive to obtain them. Effectively prohibited.

Watch what they do, not what they say.

The federal government has long since outgrown its constitutionally-allowed role, strong-arming state governments and now controlling every detail of your life from the gas you can put in your car, the type of food you may eat, the non-lethal products you may consume, the way that power can be generated for your home, the features of the cars you can drive, the schools your children can attend, whether or not you can protect yourself with a firearm and what type.

Now, it is borrowing money from you to take over parts of the private economy, setting pay restrictions on corporations' top performers, but telling others that we need to get out of debt.

It is socialism and authoritarianism in deed, but not word.

Hail, Marx!
 
Hermit":9u2xjhm4 said:
Herzl":9u2xjhm4 said:
FDA pressure compounded, the big hammer is health care:...
Exactly!

When we get nationalized health care, they will be able
to control every aspect of our lives. The government will
be able to restrict any "unhealthy" behavior.



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I hope that includes taxing donut shops because peoples' asses keep getting bigger...
I thought I was losing weight, but it seems that I only appear smaller because those around me are getting bigger.
 
I didn't want to say anything for fear of sounding ignorant, but I just read an article that stated something I was thinking. If the FDA is given oversight on tobacco, wouldn't the younger generation see them as safer?

Also, I find it interesting that Phillip Morris supports this.
 
Texas Outlaw":4monjjl2 said:
Also, I find it interesting that Phillip Morris supports this.
Many believe this is just another BIG Corporation with their hands in the government. The fear is the small producers (C&D & GLP among others) would bear the brunt of new regulations, while the big guys could keep on producing their crap.
 
EJinVA":g92e7vui said:
Texas Outlaw":g92e7vui said:
Also, I find it interesting that Phillip Morris supports this.
Many believe this is just another BIG Corporation with their hands in the government. The fear is the small producers (C&D & GLP among others) would bear the brunt of new regulations, while the big guys could keep on producing their crap.
If I'm understanding this correct, they produce the most popular cigarettes right now (Marlboro). So by supporting a bill that limits advertising, they are essentially cutting off the other companys' (mainly the ones that produce Camel) means of getting their product in the public eye.

In fact, those opposed to the bill are referring to it as the Marlboro Monopoly Act since they will have a collar on the market.
 
EJinVA":08hw5rch said:
Texas Outlaw":08hw5rch said:
Also, I find it interesting that Phillip Morris supports this.
Many believe this is just another BIG Corporation with their hands in the government. The fear is the small producers (C&D & GLP among others) would bear the brunt of new regulations, while the big guys could keep on producing their crap.
Answer

I'm sure Virginia has one. If they don't you can join us!
 
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