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dude I knew crusties from berkley in the early 90's and they were wearing patchouli

Thats why I am just an aging gutter punk, no patchouli, no veganism, just cut off dickies, chuck taylors, and beer, and bacon and lots and lots of beer :)

rev
 
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pink hair crusties usually are armatures... not that being a veteran crust punk is something to hold up. just sayin' most crusties one could smell through the computer screen and have a pinkless, mad max, poo smudge, matted dredlock look to 'em. (and maybe a dog with a bandanna)
 
Sort of, Rob. She's more street "riot grrl" hippie kind of thing going on. The 1990s made it okay for punks to adopt hippie ethos and I'll never forgive them for it. :lol:

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Kyle, I am now your best friend forever

:)

What sucks is that as I get older I am actually finding myself becoming more "hippy" in my philosophy, but I ain't no hippy damnit, I am a punk, down to the core

rev
 
In youth, two things preserved my sanity. Punk rock and German industrial music. I usually put aside the political stint messages, as most of that was sellout garbage and meant for rowdy shows (which, is also okay--did my time in the pits... :lol: ) but it was the simplicity and the skeptical struggle against whatever was in power, whether it was your own mind, your parents, the government, your job... it taught me a lot. Now I know why I have a job, parents, my own mind and government. With varying degrees of rebellion and acceptance therein.

By "hippie" I mean a dull, pushing sense of communal huggy-ness, mindless connections to that which doesn't matter and living "free" in a sense that you lack responsibility. Pretty attractive package to spoiled, angry youth. Kind of dulls one and satiates another. Punk was about doing stuff, even if it was just fun. There was purpose, not just ubiquity of ideal. There was always work to do, music to make, people to hang out with, trouble to get into, something to be pissed off about... and the neo-hippies of the post 80s world shot that all to hell. Technobrats now have added a consumerist quality to it all, mumsy and dadsy gets them a new iphone, and if they don't get the latest release, they pout, protest and go "homeless" until they get their way.

Ranting aside, it's always fascinating to see where "punk" goes. Punk isn't music, it isn't a person, it isn't a scene, it's a thinking, independent and vibrancy for life mindset that is just as useful as an adult as it is for youth. It's all in what you do with it, of course. Punk keeps dynamics happening, hippies want blissful sameness. It's a conflict.

Now, that said, I believe in true love, actual peace and balance. It's why I study Aikido. It's an internal mission, not a solution for the world. Keeps the heart limber and flexible, which is very important, too.

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One of the talks I do is called, The history of punk rock, and the history of the church (the comodifying of grass roots movements). One of the things I talk about is that the "style" of punk rock lives on but is empty. Yet there is much that is still punk rock, in its ethos even though it has stopped looking like or even sounding like punk rock. Fugazi and Ani Difranco are two examples I use. I then make the connection to "outlawed" grass roots, Christian in their ethos groups throughout history, that didn't sell out to the nationalism, commercialism and power of the powers that be.

It is a fun talk. I mean, getting to talk about Jesus and show Clash clips!!! that is a good time for me.

rev
 
I have no clue what any of this is that y'all are talking about... I never had time to "define" myself. I was out on my own by 17, in the military by 18, in law enforcement by 22, retired by 49 and started working for me by 50... I've always had responsibilities. Job, bills, wife... I've never been a part of any "scene". I'm not knocking you guys in any way, I'm just seriously out of touch with this kind of thing. Am I the only one?


No wonder I always am scratching my head when I look at the world. I just don't get it. :scratch:
 
Sorry, Simple Man... :lol: I don't know what to tell ya. I've lead an interesting life, so interesting bits and pieces make up a patchwork mind.

All I know is, I had zero structure from the time I was even aware, so that concept, to me, is somewhat foreign. I was basically ignored throughout I yearn for it, though, and have learned to build a little of it for myself, and it's pretty liberating. Structure? Liberating? In a world in chaos, the answer is structure--and punk can be structure, since chaos is the norm. A little chaos in too much structure is the same thing...same coin, different side.

I don't get the world either, but I had to survive. So I picked up some things along the way. :lol:

Rev, Ian Mackaye is a fascinating dude. Did a lot for music, and what it meant to make it, enjoy it, and get through (what I see as) "urban/suburban life." He made things real. He still does. Great guy, came to Reno a few years back and spoke to a small crowd.



 
Yeah he is one of my heroes


Simpleman, different strokes brother. When I was a youngster, everyone was segregated. The jocks, the bookworms, the socialites, the "dirtheads", and so on. But when punk came along it felt like home. Punk was different way back in the day, there wasn't a uniform, but everything was home made, it was often made from discarded materials. We did things to look different, and thumb our noses at the prevailing authorities which we saw as corrupt. No offense but if you were a skateboarder at all, whether you had spiked, bleached hair or not, cops were not people you were very fond of. The way the jocks bullied people, the way the socialites acted like they were better than everyone, it just needed to be rebelled against. And in punk you had simple, DIY music, clothers, and art, that gave permission to this rebellion. As I became a Christian I "straightened myself out" but it wasn't long before I realized that in many ways the punks had more in common with Jesus than the church folk. And then I started studying :)

and yes, this did get a bit off topic didn't it :)

rev
 
Rev, I'm glad you mention the DIY thing. I'm personally really not that familiar with the punk culture, I was just messing around, but a good friend of mine who is pretty much into punk music and all that stuff always says "It's about DIY". The fact that she is continuously trying to harrass me into having a "drunken night of DIY friend-tattoos" is another story. :lol: Now matter how much I love her, that's just....


Oh and Kyle, German industrial music? Sounds like my youth...
 
beetlejazz":dk2dsgvf said:
a "drunken night of DIY friend-tattoos" is another story.
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Does you friend have experience in receiving these tattoos? If so, pics please. :lol:
 
einstuerzende neubouten

I really dug their stuff

Yeah, my tattoos however... not diy

rev
 
Einstürzende Neubauten incidentally made some comment some years back referencing The Legendary Pink Dots... which lead to Meat Beat Manifesto... which led to Z($)oviet France... ah, what a rabbit hole. 8)
 
Kyle Weiss":ub7r4l2m said:
Einstürzende Neubauten incidentally made some comment some years back referencing The Legendary Pink Dots... which lead to Meat Beat Manifesto... which led to Z($)oviet France... ah, what a rabbit hole. 8)
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hahaha... and now look at you!

(part of the reason i started smoking like a fiend when i was a wee lad was in hopes of either growing up to sound like blixa bargeld or tom waits)
 
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