Double-Chamber Pipes

[acme]

Who benefits? it is an important question.
Here is my personal answer.

The cooler the smoke the better the flavor.
Sucking tobacco juice into your mouth is nasty.
Gurgling is embarrassing.
Tongues, bit or burnt, diminish smoking pleasure.

A second chamber pipe is essentially just a regular pipe with an expanded draft hole. Because the change is in the hardware, and is passive, if there is a benefit, it extends to all smokers. A skillfull smoker (Skillfullness is a result of software (Or wetware, if you prefer.) and milage will vary.) will get a better smoke and a novice will get a better smoke. Is there a point of diminishing returns? I don't know. I personally have not hit such a point. I considered myself a pretty skilled smoker, but have discovered more and different flavors. The implication is that I have more to learn about smoking and consciously work at improving my experience. (There is a famous woodturner who said, "Every cut is practice for the next one." Richard Raffen)

There are a couple of dependent questions.
Does tobacco, smoked too hot, lose flavor regardless of how well it is later cooled. I think so, but there is a lot of space between full flavor and flavor all gone. I suspect that it is almost imposible to kill the flavor in a pipe and still survive the experience. So, I think that the answer is the hardware can improve the situation for everyone..., unless software messes it up.

The second question is: Does the smoker determine the speed or intensity of puffing by how hot the smoke is when it reaches their mouth? If they do, then because the smoke gets cooled in the hardware, they may actually increase the intensity of their puffing, and that is a software problem.

The moral to this story is: skill and luck are improtant in life, but they don't compare to paying attention.

anthony​

 

[acme]

@Karl Weiss

I like scepticism. Unfortunately, I don't have a right to pass names to you. I have sold thirty or forty of them this year, so they are out there. There have been some discussions on other forums; http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/ and http://www.smokersforums.co.uk/index.php? are a couple.

I have a couple of customers who have come back to purchase seconds and thirds, but I only know of one guy who smokes only (Don't tell them who. Why not!? Because it would take all the fun out of it. Come on, you don't think that he can figure it out!) second chamber pipes.

I plan on being in Las Vegas at the pipe show later this year - perhaps it requires a look and touch.

anthony

 

[Kyle Weiss]

Ouch--re: (Karl) :lol:

I'm an unskilled smoker, and I should probably look to handling pipes with non-sharpened edges and have them be machine washable for the nonsense I'll likely make of them. I felt like after reading that I was just shown a calculus equation and all I'm doing is figuring out who this beautiful, weird figure is in the mirror--with the pipe, of course. My brain hasn't hit self-recognition with the briar.

Meanwhile, I'll have to get an ACME double-chamber pipe one day and find out for myself. Hopefully after some solid customer responses toward expectation I can have with them, and perhaps some practice under my belt with a Peterson or two.

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[Anonymous]

For whatever it may be worth : this thread started, indirectly, with a rave review by George Dibos (Precision Pipe Repair & Restoration) @ smokers forums. I've known George for at least six or seven years, & highly respect him for the acuity of his perceptions re. pipes & tobaccos and his intransigent honesty. If George says the one he got is a freaking great smoker, it's a freaking great smoker. End of story. I'll co-sign that without even bothering to read the fine print. The man knows what he's talking about and calls it like he sees it.

A guy (George) who spends much of his time fine-tuning & improving the airways of even high-end pipes knows airway stuff. Simple as that.

Thank You. I feel much better now.

:face:

 

[Kyle Weiss]

Addendum to the "End Of Story" (or at least my part in it):

This tread actually was started by me, asking for those who had personal experience with these pipes. Not whether or not they were a good idea or if they worked. This was supposed to continue on as per my request, but seems to have been colored a different shade than I had intended.

My original request still stands. Not just based on a George whom I've never met, and never gotten to speak to personally. Call me crazy and wild, but hearsay and one single dude's take just isn't my style. So, hopefully, others will chime in on how much they like ACME pipes, or other chamber pipes.

Unless, Yak, you say I should simply fall in line and accept everything I read.


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(I didn't think so)

 

[Kyle Weiss]

Speaking of double-chamber pipes...

http://www.qualitybriar.com/2012/05/jonas-rosengren-a-swedish-prodigy/

Calabash-neuveau, anyone?

They look super cool, and I've never smoked a calabash. Apparently folks like 'em if they're sellin' like hotcakes. Or it's just the "new toy on the market" thing. Who knows.

Anyone?

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[Anonymous]

I figured you'd assume I was addressing you.

I wasn't.

When a guy like Craig Wolfley retires after 10 or so years of playing offensive line for the Steelers & does blog posts on the Steelers in general and their offensive line play in particular, people take him seriously because he knows what the f**% he's talking about. As opposed to fifty million babbleheads on discussion boards. Every one of whom has some opinion. The sum of which is the "garbage out" end of "garbage in . . ."

Some things just are true.

Go smoke some more Embarcadero 8)

:face:

 

[Zeno Marx]

I am really drawn to the pregnant guppy.

That is an awesome shape. Period. I'd like a pipe shaped like that even if it wasn't hollowed out for a second chamber. As I've said elsewhere, the really bulbous, blown glass-like shapes are really, really neat.

 

[dshpipes]

Speaking of double-chamber pipes...

http://www.qualitybriar.com/2012/05/jonas-rosengren-a-swedish-prodigy/

Calabash-neuveau, anyone?

They look super cool, and I've never smoked a calabash. Apparently folks like 'em if they're sellin' like hotcakes. Or it's just the "new toy on the market" thing. Who knows.

Anyone?

8)

Got to see those at the Chicago show. Very cool shapes and very creative way to make a calabash. If I'd had cash to burn, I'd own one of them!

 

[Kyle Weiss]

I figured you'd assume I was addressing you.

I wasn't.

When a guy like Craig Wolfley retires after 10 or so years of playing offensive line for the Steelers & does blog posts on the Steelers in general and their offensive line play in particular, people take him seriously because he knows what the f**% he's talking about. As opposed to fifty million babbleheads on discussion boards. Every one of whom has some opinion. The sum of which is the "garbage out" end of "garbage in . . ."

Some things just are true.

Go smoke some more Embarcadero 8)

:face:

I get ya, Brother. I was just clarifying a few things, only the last line was really for you. :lol: I had to find a way to get things back on track again. Sorry if you were the scapegoat. One of these days we'll tune in our mind-reading devices.

Embarcadero it shall be tonight. :cheers: I have an early morning meeting, so I better get an evening smoke in since my morning will likely be taken up with work.

 

[Kyle Weiss]

Got to see those at the Chicago show. Very cool shapes and very creative way to make a calabash. If I'd had cash to burn, I'd own one of them!

I'm disappointed you didn't get one for each of us. :twisted:

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[Anonymous]

When a guy like Craig Wolfley retires after 10 or so years of playing offensive line for the Steelers & does blog posts on the Steelers in general and their offensive line play in particular, people take him seriously because he knows what the f**% he's talking about. As opposed to fifty million babbleheads on discussion boards. Every one of whom has some opinion. The sum of which is the "garbage out" end of "garbage in . . ."

Some things just are true.

Cue Twilight Zone music. 'Cause this is deja vu. All over again. While I was writing that, Craig was writing this :

The Steelers have finally moved Willie Colon to guard. After seven years in the league, i think Willie has been expecting this move for a while as it seems Willie and i have talked about a possible move to guard ever since he came to the Burgh.

I chatted up the “320lbs of educated Big Nasty” when he came to the Light of Life “Walk For the Homeless.” He was very enthusiastic about the move to guard and the prospects of lining up next to his good bud Maurkice Pouncey.

It was great, first of all having Willie on board as a special guest at the walk because unlike his on-field demeanor, he is very fan-friendly. Secondly, Willie has always held a special spot in my heart because he plays the game like it was meant to be played. Big Willie asks no quarter and gives no quarter.

Too, let it be known that i’ve always secretly rooted for the under-sized guys. The frustration that i used to feel from post-workout interviews with scouts in my senior year at Syracuse University after they would casually mention, ”If you were just an inch or two taller…”

But yes i do like the move, however deep down my gullet isn’t totally convinced that it’s a done deal.

Prior to back-to-back season ending injuries Colon was heading for Hawaii in my most humble opinion. Despite his lack of heigth and arm-length, Willie had learned to time his grappling-punch correctly and combined with excellent footwork, he’d position himself to use his low center of gravity to frustrate would-be sackers.

Willie was never a classic punch and move guy in the tradition of Larry Brown, Jon Kolb and Tunch Ilkin. Colon pass protected like a guard playing tackle. He used his quick feet on his kick-step (notice i said quick, not fast-there is a difference) to mirror and ultimately force a pass-rusher to come to him at a bad angle.

It’s kind’a like King Leonidas and his Spartan warriors forcing the superior Persian army to battle at the “Hot Gates” of Thermopylae. The Persians couldn’t do what they do best because the Spartans and their Phalanx battle formation along with a narrow passage way forced the Persians into close-quarter-combat. So the Persians had to pay the price and go right down the middle.

That’s how Willie survives on the edge in pass pro. Quick feet that keep him in a postion of power, not biting on the trickeration tactics (head and body fakes, stagger-sprint footwork etc.) that a superior athlete might throw at him out on the edge, but patiently biding his time mirroring his opponents movements until the taller, faster, better athlete HAD to come into the Hot Gates of Willie and his massively muscled upper body. And that meant they had to fight their way through the center of Colon, not the edge.

To play in this style takes a certain amount of bravado, guts and determination, not to mention a “willingness to ruthlessness.” One has to be supremely confident in his abilities to throwdown with anybody physically, rather than to out-superior a man with technique.

If you like to watch boxing, look how few boxers like to sit in the pocket and have at it. Rather than throwing down in a phone booth, most prefer to stay on the outside where it’s not quite so brutal.

You only have to spend a single afternoon up at training camp and listen to Steelers defensive line guru John Mitchell and count how many times he barks at his players to fight through the edge of a man in one-on-one pass rush, not the center to realize how key this concept is.

As far as run-blocking goes, the hamhocks on Colon are so wide you could “Show the 2011 and the 2012 highlight films” simultaneously on his keester. But that is where ground’n pound power emanates. Because Willie is “Vertically challenged,” and has that low base, he can get under and up, a rising blow if you will, which was a Charles Henry Noll staple in run-blocking.

Under and up is nothing more than a basic centuries old Sumo wrestling concept of how you up-root a man and move him from “A to B against his will.” (Legendary Pitt line coach Joe Moore). Anything else ends up looking like fat-guys square dancing.

http://craigwolfley.com/

KNOWING stuff is the invisible dimension in discussions like this, IMHO. They proceed as if nobody really KNEW anything, and everything written just reduced to "opinions."

That's bullshit.

:face:

 

[Kyle Weiss]

Well, so much for this thread. :lol:

 

[Anonymous]

I am convinced that everyone has a built-in Bullshit Detector as part of the standard equipment package.

Whether people use it or not is another matter.

Knowing stuff -- and recognising when other people know stuff by (in this case) what they write -- is a program that runs in parallel with -- and independently of -- the satan's intestines of logical procedure. The only conclusion formal logic can generally reach is, "Well, we don't really know . . ."

But there are people who DO really know. Leaving direct perception out of it, or trying to rationalise ignoring it by various sophistries, is poop.

Poop is not food. Even when served on a plate as if it were.

You know this by direct perception.

:face:

 

[Kyle Weiss]

Gathering information, for me anyway, isn't strictly a one man bullshit-sifting party. One way or another. It's about amassing enough plausible data to confirm or deny general claims, laughing at a few unique accounts and sensing with my gut about which choice is best for me. Since my choice on a pipe (or bacca) is not life or death, perhaps my instincts aren't as naturally honed to such subject matter... :lol: (There have been a few instances where the choice has certainly enhanced my life, though!)

There are plenty of people who know much more than ME, but discerning them from each other on that level (from my perspective, once again, Yak) is something of a unique affair. One person's guru is another man's bagboy at the store. It's a catch-22: you take shots in the dark with folks and their words until you gain some of your own footing. Hopefully those shots in the dark have been chosen wisely. In my case, to repeat, from a larger pool than just one.

I mean, take you for example. I trust your opinion on many things. Pipes and tobacco in particular. But there have been times others that I hold in the same regard that have brought up contrary or counter points that ring true to my senses just the same. Have any of you never been wrong? Of course you have. I've read instances of them myself. It's not a point-based system, but at some level, suddenly you're surrounded by information and gurus, and less, in that case, is not always more--at this stage, speaking for myself. The lesson and learning comes from the sorting, not solely the information. I'm only myopic in sight, not mind. Tomorrow I may be able to pull from one or two guys who I know have it all figured out. That kind of knowledge takes verification and time. Plus, I enjoy the process, believe it or not! It's very personal and immersing at times.

I know, this wasn't necessarily directed at me, but since no one has anything to say about chamber pipes, I guess we can get all perspective-like and filly-softy. My father got in an accident yesterday (he's fine) so I'm just waiting around for him to call for a ride... :lol: Nothin' else to do.

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[Anonymous]

All true enough.

And illustrative of the way that, if you only think analytically about something long enough, everything about it looks uncertain, relative and dependent. A lot of people go there, and never find their way back again.

But when you taste, you know.

Catherine Austin Fitts, for an example. Once you read "Dillan Reed & the Aristocracy of Stock Profits," it's obvious. She knows. Same with Craig Wolfley.

People knew how to make steel centuries before metallurgy came along. The thinkety, analytical, diagram-this-sentence, check your math process we call knowledge leaves a lot out that people knew even 100 years ago.

It's so freaking obvious but it's difficult to communicate. :scratch:

:face:

 

[Harlock999]

They remind me of the balloons from Killer Klowns from Outer Space. I still think they would be interesting to smoke.

I'm in the music video for Killer Klowns!
I'm in the police lineup, wearing a Misfits shirt.
Long time ago... 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NmbNOiOy1c

 

[George Kaplan]

I'm in the music video for Killer Klowns!
I'm in the police lineup, wearing a Misfits shirt.

Aren't you in this lineup, too?

 

[Harlock999]

I'm in the music video for Killer Klowns!
I'm in the police lineup, wearing a Misfits shirt.

Aren't you in this lineup, too?

Yeah, I am... :silent:
Damn you again, GK! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

 

[Dutch]

Well, so much for this thread. :lol:

Kyle, they say, what you do, comes back to you! :lol: