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Yes. Everyone's already said exactly this.alfredo_buscatti":805fcnfh said:
The PRISM Scandal - Feds spying on millions of people
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Since the goobers in the congress couldn't wait to pass the "paaaaatreeeaaaht" act to proootiiiict da hoooooomelaaaaand I've assumed they where looking and listening. My man Russ Feingold spelled it out very clearly in 2001! I'm enjoying the very strange bedfellows this is making. For me the President has spelled it out better than anyone else I've heard. It's a tightrope a bad day could turn this issue 180 degrees fast :shock:
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This is the reason for the 2nd Admendment.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
"Hunting" was not a consideration.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
"Hunting" was not a consideration.
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Does this seem familiar?
A bill of particulars documenting the king's "repeated injuries and usurpations" of the Americans' rights and liberties.[74]
Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness of his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
A bill of particulars documenting the king's "repeated injuries and usurpations" of the Americans' rights and liberties.[74]
Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness of his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Truth. ^^^alfredo_buscatti":ej9623ry said:
And the hell of it is that the "standard" of rightness (such as it is) that they use to decide what's wrong is completely arbitrary. It changes with the political climate, and in any case it's virtually certain to do violence to rational and moral principles. In fact, that's the problem in a nutshell; political law is not based on any absolute principles.
OK, WD...I see what you're saying now. We're talking about two different things.Wet Dottle":ej9623ry said:
Without going into too much detail, I'll just say that the quality of an encrypted connection is governed by the strength of the encryption key. That varies all the way from no encryption at all to the current standard "strong encryption", which uses the RSA 2,048-bit key-based algorithm. (Of course, larger keys are possible, but not necessary...as you'll see in a moment.)
Obviously, a non-encrypted connection provides no protection whatsoever. Weak encryption is better than nothing at all, but a dedicated amateur can break a 512-bit key with enough computing power (and no life). The 1,024-bit key hasn't been broken yet, but it was deprecated starting in 2011, and will be obsolete by the end of 2013. RSA as well as the world's leading number theorists are convinced that NSA will break it within the next decade, but not with a brute force attack, which is what yer outlaw crackers would use.
The RSA key doesn’t use a straight cipher, which is trivial to break. Rather it uses a complex algorithm that requires massive computing power and a very long time to break the key. It took a six-institution team of scientists and a shitload of computers a couple of years using very sophisticated factorization to break the 768-bit key in 2009—something yer average outlaw isn't capable of doing. It would take about 1,000 times as long to break the 1,024-bit key using the same hardware and factorization, so it's not likely that some jerk in Smolensk with a bank of desktop machines is going to break it any time soon. Anyhow, anyone who hasn’t switched to a 2,048-bit key by now had better do so. I switched my mail encryption to 2,048-bit a couple of years ago.
Now, it seems that you’re talking about people posting or communicating using weak encryption. There’s no question that they’re naive if they think weak encryption can protect them. But it’s important to differentiate between weak encryption and the current strong encryption standard. Breaking the 2,048-bit RSA key-based encryption is NOT a trivial matter. It's way beyond the ability of the NSA, let alone the outlaw crackers.
To give you a feel for the strength of 2,048-bit encryption (I'll spare you the math), it would take one of today's desktop computers approximately 6.4 quadrillion years to break the key. That's roughly 500,000 times the age of the universe (13 billion years). Assuming NSA has the world's fastest supercomputer (currently ~10 petaflops), that would cut the computing time by a factor of 2x10<sup>5</sup>, which would bring it down to about 2.5 times the age of the universe. So, if NSA started working on breaking the key at the beginning of time (as we currently understand it) they'd still have another 19.5 billion years to go.
That's why they bully the CAs into coughing up the key and then slapping them with a gag order. They can't break it, so they resort to naked coercion. That's the stock in trade of the state; it's legalized thuggery. So, yeah...that part is not surprising; it's what they do best. I guess the people who are "shocked" are those who thought their precious Democratic Institutions™ weren't capable of such behavior.
For my part, I'm just incensed that they're actually doing it. But surprised? No. But then, I long ago wrote off any possibility of fixing the mess through any kind of political action—and for the record, that includes violent overthrow of the existing system. I'm not interested. It's not a solution.
Brothah sand18f:sand18f":r2dzxyud said:
It sure does. It's the document that embodies the spirit of the American Revolution, which most people confuse with the War for Independence (sometimes inaccurately called "the Revolutionary War"...except that there's nothing revolutionary about war). The war was a war of rebellion, and it started before the Revolution. Most of the early participants did not want independence. They just wanted redress of their grievances.
It wasn't until 1776, January 10 that the idea of independence broke on the colonies like a storm. That was the date Thomas Paine's Common Sense was first published. That was what turned the rebellion into a genuine revolution, which culminated in the Declaration of Independence on July 4 of the same year.
I fear that the spirit of the American Revolution has been pretty much stomped to death by the state. But no one who genuinely understands what the Declaration represents makes the mistake of confusing the revolutionary concepts the Declaration contains with the bloated, festering cesspool of institutionalized corruption that has increasingly afflicted U.S. citizens since the inception of the state.
The original Declaration is currently held captive under lock and key in Washington. But they can't lock up the ideas it embodies. We all need a reminder from time to time. Thanks for posting it, amigo.
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http://gauchnomica.wordpress.com/2013/06/10/patriot-act-vote-record/
No matter whose Kool Aid you decided to drink, red or blue, I think we can all agree that career politicians do not serve the interests of the people. We need term limits.
No matter whose Kool Aid you decided to drink, red or blue, I think we can all agree that career politicians do not serve the interests of the people. We need term limits.
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But you also wrote:Kyle Weiss":8k642cr7 said:
No one really cares what you did last weekend, unless it was testing the structural integrity of lengths of pipes, caps and sharing maps of mall exits.
How embarrassing to have occasioned the very words you are deriding. But then again any thread sheriff worth his salt, who says inflated things as above as well as judges the relative worth of other members' posts, is probably incapable of sophisticated feeling.
Play sherif with someone else; it's all downhill from here.
I have a problem with this. I have known about the Gooberment telling the telecoms that they will be providing access to information, for years. This is Article II or Title II of the Patriot Act. After it was passed and the jackbooters rejoiced that we were now protected from evil, They went to companies, one by one, and told them what was required. Even small independent Internet providers. How is it that most Americans never heard of this when it was being complained about in the news and online at the time?
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Agreed on both points, sisyphus. And I'll go further (although it's not my original idea): We need term limits on laws.sisyphus":k1m9ebcj said:
Think it through carefully, and you'll come to appreciate the sense it makes. The permanence of artificial political legislation is the direct cause of the erosion of liberty and freedom of choice. It's obvious why that's true (...well, to me, at least), but if it's less obvious to anyone else I'll be happy to prove it.
I dunno about most 'Mericans Carlos, but for my part, I was mostly oblivious to the hue and cry and wailing and gnashing of teeth over it—on purpose—as I am with most political squabbles. The idea that some new new burst of legislative folly would miraculously Protect Us From Evil™ was never a pantload I bought in the first place. Like all such ill-conceived political attempts to coercively manipulate complex systems with simplistic rules (as though human were machines), it was predictable that there would be unintended consequences that would make the "solution" worse than the problem it was supposed to solve. That's what political law does. It can't not do it.Carlos":k1m9ebcj said:
We're living in those consequences now. And sure enough, the author of the Patriot Act just can't resist fanning the flames of divisive political partisanship: Jim Sensenbrenner, Republican Author Of Patriot Act, Says NSA PRISM Surveillance Goes Too Far
Hey, I'm no fan of Mr. Obama, and I'm not certainly not going to defend his administration's unconscionable abuse of power, but this finger-pointing nonsense by Mr. Sensenbrenner is a case over-the-top evasion of responsibility. I mean, he wrote the doggone law. I don’t care what his intentions were…you know the old saying about which road is paved with good intentions. So now that his poorly conceived and implicitly articulated legislation has (predictably) gone straight to hell, he’s shifting the blame to Mr. Obama? What…as though the Bush administration was snow white and lily pure, and the pinnacle of rational & moral behavior? Sheesh…
Oops…sorry—it’s not my intention to rake Mr. Bush over the coals any more than Mr. Obama. I don’t know either of them personally, but I’m not disposed to like either of them because of the power they have deliberately sought to have over other people’s lives and liberty. Legality be damned; they have no moral prerogative to seek such power, much less to hold it, and even less to use it.
As Brothah sisyphus sez, if you buy into the bullcrap on either side, you’re drinking Kool-Aid. It doesn’t matter what its color is.
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So long as the net effect of laws is to give some economic enterprise an advantage over its competitors, or a cartel over potential upstarts, and the way that those laws get enacted is by (not to mince words) buying them, laws like that will achieve the same permanence that the "patriot act" has. Periodically reviewed, and periodically re-enacted.Catherine Austin Fitts":cb71t2e3 said:
As in everything else in a usury-based economy, the Golden Rule is ironclad --
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*Bullshit : Any consideration that doesn't impact return on investment.
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Even architecture is expressing its dissatisfaction with government.
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Ain't no surprise here.
Anyone dealing with security issues, wether at a government level or a private company has to be paranoid.
If you ain't suspicious of everyone and everything then you are not doing your job.
When you realize your mother will lie to you if she feels it is in your best interest where does that put everyone else? Welcome to reality.
Remember, the squeaky wheel may get the grease, but the nail that sticks up gets the hammer!
Anyone dealing with security issues, wether at a government level or a private company has to be paranoid.
If you ain't suspicious of everyone and everything then you are not doing your job.
When you realize your mother will lie to you if she feels it is in your best interest where does that put everyone else? Welcome to reality.
Remember, the squeaky wheel may get the grease, but the nail that sticks up gets the hammer!
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http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/whats-in-the-rest-of-the-top-secret-nsa-powerpoint-deck/47043Kevin Poulsen":5xks2l1d said:
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“Verizon had set up a dedicated fiber-optic line running from New Jersey to Quantico, Va., home to a large military base, allowing government officials to gain access to all communications flowing through the carrier’s operations center.”
Government doesn't need legal means to implement this type of abuse. All it takes is the need to cooperate with someone like the FCC to improve the corporate bottom line
http://www.newsmax.com/ira-stoll/stoll-verizon-data-mining/2013/06/10/id/509012
This prism deal is only the index to the data collected already. Prism is just the tip of the iceberg.
There are so many laws today it is estimated that every one of us is guilty of an obscure felony each day. And, the net provides proof we are all felons on a near daily basis. Your short hairs are in their hands.
Government doesn't need legal means to implement this type of abuse. All it takes is the need to cooperate with someone like the FCC to improve the corporate bottom line
http://www.newsmax.com/ira-stoll/stoll-verizon-data-mining/2013/06/10/id/509012
This prism deal is only the index to the data collected already. Prism is just the tip of the iceberg.
There are so many laws today it is estimated that every one of us is guilty of an obscure felony each day. And, the net provides proof we are all felons on a near daily basis. Your short hairs are in their hands.
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[Editor's note: While I would like to believe that Douglas Hagmann is exaggerating, all the evidence is against it. From my point of view, it is astounding that the major media has said nary a peep about the report of the subcommittee of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Intelligence, which was released on 3 October 2012.
After a review of 680 "fusion center" reports from 2009-2010, they found NO INDICATIONS OF ANY DOMESTIC TERRORIST THREAT, as I have reported here at Veterans Today. NONE! ZILCH! NADA! NOT ONE!
That none of the major networks--ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, or MSNBC--has said a word about this tells me that the government's control of the media is complete and comprehensive and that these seemingly interminable attacks at Sandy Hook, Boston and now Santa Monica are intended to create the FALSE IMPRESSION that we have a serious problem with domestic terrorism. Well, we do have a serious problem, but it lies in another direction, as Douglas Hagmann explains.]
DHS insider: It’s about to get VERY UGLY!
by Douglas Hagmann
7 June 2013: Something quite unexpected happened just hours ago, in the dark of night, during a two-day layover in Washington, DC. My son and I are scheduled to take part in a seminar outside of Raleigh, North Carolina this weekend, so we combined our travels to include a side-trip to DC for a business meeting we had previously arranged. It was during this layover that something seemingly ripped from the pages of a spy novel took place.
While I was in the middle of a perfectly good and well needed sleep in the very early hours of this morning, I received a message. I cannot disclose how I received this message, at least not now. The discerning reader will understand why, which, by the way, would make a very interesting story alone. The message was extremely clear and precise. I was to meet my high level DHS insider at a very specific location in Washington, DC at a time when most “normal” people, except third-shift workers are still asleep. And, I was to come alone and make certain that I was not being followed, and I was to leave any cell phone or electronic device behind.
Seriously? I thought, as I was still trying to make sense of it all. Is all this really necessary? Is this really happening? I considered waking my son to accompany me, but opted to follow the instructions to the letter. Besides, I thought, he?s not the most affable middle-of-the-night person. I left a hastily written but detailed note in my hotel room before my departure in the event something happened. I looked at the digital clock on my rental car (my personal car would never survive our long distance trip). It was 3:20 a.m.
The meeting
I felt like I was part of a spy movie set in our nation’s capital. A chill rose up my spine as I waited in the dark of a chilly, misty and foggy pre-dawn morning. I was to meet with my DHS insider source at a time when most of the nation is asleep, at a place I could swear was featured in the movie All the President?s Men. No one and I mean no one knows I’m here, I thought, as I could see one of the most recognizable national landmarks in the distance.
My source appeared out of nowhere, or so it seemed, and handed me a cup of coffee with the astute observation that I looked like I needed it. So tell me, I asked impatiently, why do we have to meet at this time, at this location, and under such specific circumstances? “Because this might be our last meeting,” he stated.
Maybe it was the lack of sleep, the time, the place, or the chill of the misty rain that caused my sense of foreboding. “Explain,” I asked in an almost demanding tone. So he did, without mincing words.
The details
“If anyone thinks that what’s going on right now with all of this surveillance of American citizens is to fight some sort of foreign enemy, they’re delusional. If people think that this ‘scandal’ can’t get any worse, it will, hour by hour, day by day. This has the ability to bring down our national leadership, the administration and other senior elected officials working in collusion with this administration, both Republican and Democrats. People within the NSA, the Department of Justice, and others, they know who they are, need to come forth with the documentation of ‘policy and practice’ in their possession, disclose what they know, fight what’s going on, and just do their job. I have never seen anything like this, ever. The present administration is going after leakers, media sources, anyone and everyone who is even suspected of ‘betrayal.’ That’s what they call it, ‘betrayal.’ Can you believe the size of their cahones? This administration considers anyone telling the truth about Benghazi, the IRS, hell, you name the issue, ‘betrayal,’” he said.
“We know all this already,” I stated. He looked at me, giving me a look like I’ve never seen, and actually pushed his finger into my chest. “You don’t know jack,” he said, “this is bigger than you can imagine, bigger than anyone can imagine. This administration is collecting names of sources, whistle blowers and their families, names of media sources and everybody they talk to and have talked to, and they already have a huge list. If you’re not working for MSNBC or CNN, you’re probably on that list. If you are a website owner with a brisk readership and a conservative bent, you’re on that list. It’s a political dissident list, not an enemy threat list,” he stated.
What does it mean?
“What’s that exactly mean, being on that list, that is,” I asked, trying to make sense of it all.
“It means that there will be censorship under the color of authority of anyone in the U.S. who is attempting to expose what’s going on in our name. It’s about controlling any damning information from reaching epidemic proportions. It’s damage control to the extreme. It’s about the upcoming censorship of the internet in the name of national security. The plans are already in place. These latest reports about ‘spying eyes’ have turned this administration and others connected to it into something very, very dangerous. They feel cornered and threatened, and I’m hearing about some plans they have to shut down the flow of information that is implicating them of wrongdoing. Time is short,” he stated.
“How are they going to do this? How is it even possible?” I asked.
“First, they intend to use the Justice Department to silence journalists like in the Rosen case, but they won’t stop there. They will use a host of national security policies, laws, letters, whatever to take out the bigger threats,” he stated.
“Next, they will use some sort of excuse, an external threat, and I believe it will be a combination of the economic collapse and a Mid-East war that will begin in Syria to throttle the information that is accessible on the Internet. And you know what? People will believe it!”
“Based on what I’ve seen, most of which I should not have seen, the DHS is co-ordinating efforts with other federal agencies to begin to threaten American citizens with incarceration for non-compliance. You know the old talk of color coded lists? Well, this is what they will be using. People exposing the truth about Benghazi, killing the U.S. Dollar, even those questioning Obama’s legal status and eligibility to be President are the current targets. And they’ve had five long years to get to this point. The ugly truth is that these policies and practices did not start under Obama, but long before. This is about the killing of our Constitutional Republic. The murder of our country and the stripping of our rights. While many have been preoccupied with one issue, few have seen the bigger issue. This is the ‘end game,’ for all the marbles,” he stated.
More to come
“Please,” pleaded my source, “get this information out while you can. Tell people what I?m saying, that we don’t have much time, that after the latest exposure of spying, Obama, Jarrett, Axelrod, and others, including members of Congress, have put their plans into high gear. This is about the Marxist [Editor's note: Fascistic] takeover of America. This is about our country being able to survive another July 4th holiday. This is about a world war about to break out that will kill millions of people, all because of the agenda of this administration.”
“They are very dangerous and will do anything and everything to stop the onslaught of negative information that?s being reported by the main stream media. But only about one quarter of the real information is being reported. The other three quarters will be the game changer. But first, tell people what I’ve said. Let them know that more will follow but get this information out right now while the internet is still relatively free. Do it today.”
My source provided additional information, but I am abiding by his wish to get this much out. I am writing now to let people know that we are in for seriously dangerous times ahead. Deadly times. War, and censorship under the color of authority and under the pretext of of national security. It’s about to get a lot uglier. Stay tuned.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/06/09/dhs-insider-its-about-to-get-very-ugly/
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After a review of 680 "fusion center" reports from 2009-2010, they found NO INDICATIONS OF ANY DOMESTIC TERRORIST THREAT, as I have reported here at Veterans Today. NONE! ZILCH! NADA! NOT ONE!
That none of the major networks--ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, or MSNBC--has said a word about this tells me that the government's control of the media is complete and comprehensive and that these seemingly interminable attacks at Sandy Hook, Boston and now Santa Monica are intended to create the FALSE IMPRESSION that we have a serious problem with domestic terrorism. Well, we do have a serious problem, but it lies in another direction, as Douglas Hagmann explains.]
DHS insider: It’s about to get VERY UGLY!
by Douglas Hagmann
7 June 2013: Something quite unexpected happened just hours ago, in the dark of night, during a two-day layover in Washington, DC. My son and I are scheduled to take part in a seminar outside of Raleigh, North Carolina this weekend, so we combined our travels to include a side-trip to DC for a business meeting we had previously arranged. It was during this layover that something seemingly ripped from the pages of a spy novel took place.
While I was in the middle of a perfectly good and well needed sleep in the very early hours of this morning, I received a message. I cannot disclose how I received this message, at least not now. The discerning reader will understand why, which, by the way, would make a very interesting story alone. The message was extremely clear and precise. I was to meet my high level DHS insider at a very specific location in Washington, DC at a time when most “normal” people, except third-shift workers are still asleep. And, I was to come alone and make certain that I was not being followed, and I was to leave any cell phone or electronic device behind.
Seriously? I thought, as I was still trying to make sense of it all. Is all this really necessary? Is this really happening? I considered waking my son to accompany me, but opted to follow the instructions to the letter. Besides, I thought, he?s not the most affable middle-of-the-night person. I left a hastily written but detailed note in my hotel room before my departure in the event something happened. I looked at the digital clock on my rental car (my personal car would never survive our long distance trip). It was 3:20 a.m.
The meeting
I felt like I was part of a spy movie set in our nation’s capital. A chill rose up my spine as I waited in the dark of a chilly, misty and foggy pre-dawn morning. I was to meet with my DHS insider source at a time when most of the nation is asleep, at a place I could swear was featured in the movie All the President?s Men. No one and I mean no one knows I’m here, I thought, as I could see one of the most recognizable national landmarks in the distance.
My source appeared out of nowhere, or so it seemed, and handed me a cup of coffee with the astute observation that I looked like I needed it. So tell me, I asked impatiently, why do we have to meet at this time, at this location, and under such specific circumstances? “Because this might be our last meeting,” he stated.
Maybe it was the lack of sleep, the time, the place, or the chill of the misty rain that caused my sense of foreboding. “Explain,” I asked in an almost demanding tone. So he did, without mincing words.
The details
“If anyone thinks that what’s going on right now with all of this surveillance of American citizens is to fight some sort of foreign enemy, they’re delusional. If people think that this ‘scandal’ can’t get any worse, it will, hour by hour, day by day. This has the ability to bring down our national leadership, the administration and other senior elected officials working in collusion with this administration, both Republican and Democrats. People within the NSA, the Department of Justice, and others, they know who they are, need to come forth with the documentation of ‘policy and practice’ in their possession, disclose what they know, fight what’s going on, and just do their job. I have never seen anything like this, ever. The present administration is going after leakers, media sources, anyone and everyone who is even suspected of ‘betrayal.’ That’s what they call it, ‘betrayal.’ Can you believe the size of their cahones? This administration considers anyone telling the truth about Benghazi, the IRS, hell, you name the issue, ‘betrayal,’” he said.
“We know all this already,” I stated. He looked at me, giving me a look like I’ve never seen, and actually pushed his finger into my chest. “You don’t know jack,” he said, “this is bigger than you can imagine, bigger than anyone can imagine. This administration is collecting names of sources, whistle blowers and their families, names of media sources and everybody they talk to and have talked to, and they already have a huge list. If you’re not working for MSNBC or CNN, you’re probably on that list. If you are a website owner with a brisk readership and a conservative bent, you’re on that list. It’s a political dissident list, not an enemy threat list,” he stated.
What does it mean?
“What’s that exactly mean, being on that list, that is,” I asked, trying to make sense of it all.
“It means that there will be censorship under the color of authority of anyone in the U.S. who is attempting to expose what’s going on in our name. It’s about controlling any damning information from reaching epidemic proportions. It’s damage control to the extreme. It’s about the upcoming censorship of the internet in the name of national security. The plans are already in place. These latest reports about ‘spying eyes’ have turned this administration and others connected to it into something very, very dangerous. They feel cornered and threatened, and I’m hearing about some plans they have to shut down the flow of information that is implicating them of wrongdoing. Time is short,” he stated.
“How are they going to do this? How is it even possible?” I asked.
“First, they intend to use the Justice Department to silence journalists like in the Rosen case, but they won’t stop there. They will use a host of national security policies, laws, letters, whatever to take out the bigger threats,” he stated.
“Next, they will use some sort of excuse, an external threat, and I believe it will be a combination of the economic collapse and a Mid-East war that will begin in Syria to throttle the information that is accessible on the Internet. And you know what? People will believe it!”
“Based on what I’ve seen, most of which I should not have seen, the DHS is co-ordinating efforts with other federal agencies to begin to threaten American citizens with incarceration for non-compliance. You know the old talk of color coded lists? Well, this is what they will be using. People exposing the truth about Benghazi, killing the U.S. Dollar, even those questioning Obama’s legal status and eligibility to be President are the current targets. And they’ve had five long years to get to this point. The ugly truth is that these policies and practices did not start under Obama, but long before. This is about the killing of our Constitutional Republic. The murder of our country and the stripping of our rights. While many have been preoccupied with one issue, few have seen the bigger issue. This is the ‘end game,’ for all the marbles,” he stated.
More to come
“Please,” pleaded my source, “get this information out while you can. Tell people what I?m saying, that we don’t have much time, that after the latest exposure of spying, Obama, Jarrett, Axelrod, and others, including members of Congress, have put their plans into high gear. This is about the Marxist [Editor's note: Fascistic] takeover of America. This is about our country being able to survive another July 4th holiday. This is about a world war about to break out that will kill millions of people, all because of the agenda of this administration.”
“They are very dangerous and will do anything and everything to stop the onslaught of negative information that?s being reported by the main stream media. But only about one quarter of the real information is being reported. The other three quarters will be the game changer. But first, tell people what I’ve said. Let them know that more will follow but get this information out right now while the internet is still relatively free. Do it today.”
My source provided additional information, but I am abiding by his wish to get this much out. I am writing now to let people know that we are in for seriously dangerous times ahead. Deadly times. War, and censorship under the color of authority and under the pretext of of national security. It’s about to get a lot uglier. Stay tuned.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/06/09/dhs-insider-its-about-to-get-very-ugly/
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Do you intrinsically possess individual privacy rights, based upon natural law authority, or are your civil liberties arbitrarily defined by the current whims of government? How you answer, this question speaks loudly about your understanding of the nature of your very being. Those who deem that natural law is a myth or a superstition are poised for voluntary surrender of their vital identity. The cataloging of individual essence is aberrant. Your deoxyribonucleic acid is the core element of personal uniqueness and human dignity. If your DNA is subject to government collection and storage, the right of personal privacy is destroyed.
The dramatic proliferation of coercive police powers has little correlation to an improvement in public safety. The precedent that convicted criminals lose constitutional rights has gone virtually unchallenged in a society enamored with obedience to state authority. The practice of the law and the judicial review that provides the arbitrary and capricious rulings that incessantly favors the expansion of a greater level of state control, consistently violates common law and inherent principles.
It seems that civil liberties are an underreported topic by most "so called" conservative venues. Alas, the folks on the left at Democracy Now undertake the task of covering the implications and debates the merits of greater police powers in an interview, Supreme Court OKs Unfettered DNA Collection.
Justice for All Act of 2004 instituted material changes to the DNA Identification Act of 1994, including the creation of a new indicted persons index;
expansion of the offenses for which federal and military offender samples are collected;
enhancement of the criminal penalties for unauthorized use of NDIS;
authorization of one-time keyboard searches by all NDIS participants of samples not normally included in NDIS (except for voluntarily submitted elimination samples);
deletion of the separate requirement for semiannual external proficiency tests (although it retained the separate requirement for biannual external audits);
requirement for state and local forensic laboratories to be accredited by a nationally recognized program within 2 years of enactment (October 30, 2006); and
requirement for the FBI to report to Congress any plans to change the "core genetic markers" 180 days prior to that change taking effect.
The Supreme Court of the United States in their decision, MARYLAND v. KING, drastically extended the scope for DNA sampling based upon a conviction to the new benchmark, an arrest.
In the Washington Post, Professor Brandon Garrett cited in the article, After the Supreme Court’s DNA decision, what is the future of criminal justice?
Collecting DNA from defendants is not equivalent with inking fingerprints into a database. Courts, routinely rubber-stamp the broadening of government authority. The calculated assault on liberty is accelerated when the function of peacekeeping morphs into intimidating law enforcement.
The outrageous Supreme Court decision in MARYLAND v. KING violates "due process" and demolishes the principle of innocent until proven guilty. The risk is obvious as stated in the article, Stockpiling of innocents' DNA.
In the disembodied spirit of "it takes a village to raise a child", the article Newborn DNA Registries Raise Privacy Concerns by Sarah McIntosh indicates a disturbing practice.
From the same piece Twila Brase, president of the Citizens' Council on Health Care, warns of the consequences of allowing involuntary DNA samples databases.
Assembling a massive DNA database on untold millions of Americans is an existential threat to the sacredness of life itself. The government is not our jailer, but is supposed to be our servant. Caution and vigilance oversight of government abuses is a cardinal duty of every American. Reasonable people should never trust the state to be the gatekeeper of your biological building blocks.
Common sense concludes that ownership of your DNA cannot morally be transferred into a communal retrieval system. Big Brother wants to dispatch the Grim Reaper when defective or unacceptable genetic traits are deemed detrimental to the socially collectivist society.
The "PC" misinformation declares, "Eugenics is the applied science of the bio-social movement which advocates practices to improve the genetic composition of a population, usually a human population." The true reality is that government sponsored research projects are seeking ways of culling the herd. DNA collection is the route to dissention elimination. Purging the general population of political undesirables is a goal that most courts would eagerly uphold. As the police state intensifies, the selection process for isolating individuals that resist the tyranny will increase.
If your DNA is in the possession of the illicit authorities, the effortless framing of targeted nuisances becomes a distinct probability. The ease of charging a rebel against the state as a terrorist comes out of a master database. Do you trust the government to obey constitutional precepts and restraints?
Unless the public develops a defiant attitude towards the inhuman incarceration culture, the DNA collection scheme will just inflate the population of embattled captives. The solution is to defend civil liberties at every opportunity. This is not a phony left-right canard. The kernel of universality rests upon the certainty that each individual is sacred. Your DNA is the quintessence of your person and no government can legitimately enforce the theft of your singularity.
People need to learn a greater respect for their own privacy and practice its defense accordingly.
SARTRE – June 9, 2013
http://batr.org/view/060913.html
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The dramatic proliferation of coercive police powers has little correlation to an improvement in public safety. The precedent that convicted criminals lose constitutional rights has gone virtually unchallenged in a society enamored with obedience to state authority. The practice of the law and the judicial review that provides the arbitrary and capricious rulings that incessantly favors the expansion of a greater level of state control, consistently violates common law and inherent principles.
It seems that civil liberties are an underreported topic by most "so called" conservative venues. Alas, the folks on the left at Democracy Now undertake the task of covering the implications and debates the merits of greater police powers in an interview, Supreme Court OKs Unfettered DNA Collection.
Background on the legislation that mandates DNA mining is a very slippery slope. The DNA Identification Act of 1994 authorized the establishment of a national index of: (1) DNA identification records of persons convicted of crimes, (2) analyses of DNA samples recovered from crime scenes, and (3) analyses of DNA samples recovered from unidentified human remains.
Justice for All Act of 2004 instituted material changes to the DNA Identification Act of 1994, including the creation of a new indicted persons index;
expansion of the offenses for which federal and military offender samples are collected;
enhancement of the criminal penalties for unauthorized use of NDIS;
authorization of one-time keyboard searches by all NDIS participants of samples not normally included in NDIS (except for voluntarily submitted elimination samples);
deletion of the separate requirement for semiannual external proficiency tests (although it retained the separate requirement for biannual external audits);
requirement for state and local forensic laboratories to be accredited by a nationally recognized program within 2 years of enactment (October 30, 2006); and
requirement for the FBI to report to Congress any plans to change the "core genetic markers" 180 days prior to that change taking effect.
The Supreme Court of the United States in their decision, MARYLAND v. KING, drastically extended the scope for DNA sampling based upon a conviction to the new benchmark, an arrest.
In the Washington Post, Professor Brandon Garrett cited in the article, After the Supreme Court’s DNA decision, what is the future of criminal justice?
Making the case for privacy rights, David Gusella argues in the Boston Collage Law Review, No Cilia Left Behind: Analyzing the Privacy Rights in Routinely Shed DNA Found at Crime Scenes.
Collecting DNA from defendants is not equivalent with inking fingerprints into a database. Courts, routinely rubber-stamp the broadening of government authority. The calculated assault on liberty is accelerated when the function of peacekeeping morphs into intimidating law enforcement.
The outrageous Supreme Court decision in MARYLAND v. KING violates "due process" and demolishes the principle of innocent until proven guilty. The risk is obvious as stated in the article, Stockpiling of innocents' DNA.
Are there limits to a national DNA database? If any citizen arrested is subjected to a non- consensual DNA swabs sample, does it end with just suspects? In an age of hyperbolic criminalization of disputed infractions, giving greater discretionary power to an all-pervasive police state is sheer lunacy.
In the disembodied spirit of "it takes a village to raise a child", the article Newborn DNA Registries Raise Privacy Concerns by Sarah McIntosh indicates a disturbing practice.
From the same piece Twila Brase, president of the Citizens' Council on Health Care, warns of the consequences of allowing involuntary DNA samples databases.
With the inception of DNA science, the practice of biological engineering has gone wild. Extracting a DNA exemplar at birth is much different from forcing an arrestee to give up a saliva sample. The entire foundation of Western Civilization, based upon the inborn natural human rights of personhood, is violated when state mandates claim their license over your singular essence.
Assembling a massive DNA database on untold millions of Americans is an existential threat to the sacredness of life itself. The government is not our jailer, but is supposed to be our servant. Caution and vigilance oversight of government abuses is a cardinal duty of every American. Reasonable people should never trust the state to be the gatekeeper of your biological building blocks.
Common sense concludes that ownership of your DNA cannot morally be transferred into a communal retrieval system. Big Brother wants to dispatch the Grim Reaper when defective or unacceptable genetic traits are deemed detrimental to the socially collectivist society.
The "PC" misinformation declares, "Eugenics is the applied science of the bio-social movement which advocates practices to improve the genetic composition of a population, usually a human population." The true reality is that government sponsored research projects are seeking ways of culling the herd. DNA collection is the route to dissention elimination. Purging the general population of political undesirables is a goal that most courts would eagerly uphold. As the police state intensifies, the selection process for isolating individuals that resist the tyranny will increase.
If your DNA is in the possession of the illicit authorities, the effortless framing of targeted nuisances becomes a distinct probability. The ease of charging a rebel against the state as a terrorist comes out of a master database. Do you trust the government to obey constitutional precepts and restraints?
Unless the public develops a defiant attitude towards the inhuman incarceration culture, the DNA collection scheme will just inflate the population of embattled captives. The solution is to defend civil liberties at every opportunity. This is not a phony left-right canard. The kernel of universality rests upon the certainty that each individual is sacred. Your DNA is the quintessence of your person and no government can legitimately enforce the theft of your singularity.
People need to learn a greater respect for their own privacy and practice its defense accordingly.
SARTRE – June 9, 2013
http://batr.org/view/060913.html
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Nasty stuff.
I wonder how the NSA (or any national security entity for that matter) could go about seeking "terrorist communications" on a global scale without collecting just about everything out there. What they are charged with doing pretty much requires omniscience. How do you find a particular needle in a mountain of needles without being able to inspect every needle?
I'm as appalled as anyone else about this. I am also aware that there's a huge erosion of public trust in the govenment with every such revelation. As I see it, the problem isn't the information mining itself per sé, but rather trust in who is doing it.
What's the alternative? Seriously.
I wonder how the NSA (or any national security entity for that matter) could go about seeking "terrorist communications" on a global scale without collecting just about everything out there. What they are charged with doing pretty much requires omniscience. How do you find a particular needle in a mountain of needles without being able to inspect every needle?
I'm as appalled as anyone else about this. I am also aware that there's a huge erosion of public trust in the govenment with every such revelation. As I see it, the problem isn't the information mining itself per sé, but rather trust in who is doing it.
What's the alternative? Seriously.